Template talk:PD-old-100

Clarification needed

I see this template added to images that do not specify the author or the date of death of the author. I feel more guidance is needed in the template text, or a link to guidance should be added. For example, is evidence of a search for the author needed if the author is unknown? What about images that have descriptions that only state painted in the 18th Century? 19th century? I have posted a note to here from Commons talk:Licensing#PD-old-100 clarification needed -84user (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Some examples with no author given: File:Klosowski.jpg (no author); File:AntoineClaudet.png (assumes without evidence that author died before 1910, or some other unstated assumption). Examples of correct template placing in my opinion: File:AsmusCarstens.png (painter died in 1798); File:Balaklava-camp.png (photographers died in 1888 and 1907). -84user (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Such images should probably be nominated for deletion. I'm also concerned about US law regarding unpublished images whose author has been dead for over 100 years, can anyone clarify this? Dcoetzee (talk) 06:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

There's no set rule of thumb, but I get the impression--and this just might be my own echo chamber here--that 100-110 year lifespan is a safe outer bound, and we should generally assume an artist was 20 unless we have reason to assume otherwise. Thus Antoine Claudet would safely be PD-old-70 but not PD-old-100.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

In the U.S., still-unpublished works (or ones published since 2003) where the author has been dead for over 70 years are now public domain. If the author is not known, 120 years from creation. In most cases, the tag should be changed to a separate PD-old variant with a lower number. The only country I am aware of with 100 pma terms is Mexico, and they just increased from 75 pma to 100 pma in 2003, and I don't think it was retroctive -- so works by authors who died in 1927 or before are still OK there, I believe. So, I don't think this tag represents any actual legal line anywhere, other than being a tag which is the outermost possible extent of known theoretical protections. Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire has a life+99 duration (or 99 years from publication for posthumous works), but the rule of the shorter term, according to List of countries' copyright length. Columbia is life+80, and there were a couple life+75 in the list.

Indeed, I forgot about the Ivory Coast. They apparently went to 99 years pma in a late 1996 law, but I can't tell if it was retroactive or not, nor can I find what their previous terms were. There are other {{PD-old-80}} etc. templates for some of those other terms you mention, yes. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

PD-old-100 and US copyrights

See the discussion. --Jarekt (talk) 13:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Not sure which discussion you are referring to and why you have added the US warning. --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Robert.Allen, Sorry I had a bad link. Let me know if you have any more questions. --Jarekt (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Jarekt, in your recent edit you edited a comment you wrote in 2014 to point to a discussion started in 2015. That's really weird and kind of misleading, so I assume it's a mistake of some kind. I assume what is going on is that your recent note "Sorry I had a bad link" is actually incorrect, the link was actually correct, you just accidentally thought you were fixing a more recent note of yours. I'm going to restore your old comment (which pointed to the old discussion which is now archived at Commons_talk:Licensing/Archive_38#.7B.7BPD-old-100.7D.7D_and_.7B.7BPD-old-90.7D.7D) and mention that the more recent discussion is at Commons:Village_pump#Template:PD-old-100_and_US_copyrights. —RP88 (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

RP88, you are right that was wired. I did not realized which talk page this was and assumed that it was one of the resent notes I dropped at several pages pointing to the newest discussion. Also strange that this is the last discussion related the PD-old-100 template. Thanks. --Jarekt (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Wait, okay, so, where does this leave us? I have an image of an old painting (c. 1600) I want to properly license as being in the public domain both in the US and everywhere else (including the source country, England). If I use this tag by itself, I get a warning saying I also need a US tag... How can I generate a tag that does not have this warning in it? What parameter should I change or add to the tag to indicate that an old painting really is public domain in the U.S.? KDS4444 (talk) 11:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

This issue was raised twice at Commons:Village_pump:here and here, but there is still no resolution. I am struggling with the same question and I think we should develop some clear guidelines. --Jarekt (talk) 13:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Deutsche Übersetzung fehlerhaft?

Es heißt aktuell: "[...] von 100 oder weniger Jahren nach dem Tod des Urhebers". Es müsste aber doch "von 100 oder mehr Jahren nach dem Tod des Urhebers" heißen, oder? --LimboDancer (talk) 16:00, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I think we need German speaker here. --Jarekt (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

No the German wording is correct. 100 years is the longest copyright protection period. If the copyright protection period of 100 years has expired, the artwork is no longer copyrighted and this applies of course also to countries with a shorter copyright protection period than 100 years.

100 oder weniger Jahren nach dem Tod des Urhebers = 100 years or less after the authors's life

von 100 oder mehr Jahren nach dem Tod des Urhebers= 100 years or more after the authors's life --Oursana (talk) 03:51, 27 November 2015 (UTC) (German native speaker)

Oder den Satz aus dem Template mal umständlich formuliert: Es ist gültig in Staaten, in denen der Urheber bereits seit mindestens 100 Jahren tot sein muss. Damit ist es ebenso in Staaten gültig, in denen der Urheber mehr als weniger als 100 Jahre tot sein muss. Also beispielsweise in einem Staat, in dem er mindestens seit 70 Jahren tot sein muss. Das Template sagt also, dass der Urheber schon 100 Jahre oder mehr tot ist, und das Werk in Staaten, in denen die Schutzfrist 100 Jahre oder weniger lang ist, gemeinfrei ist. --Nenntmichruhigip (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

PD-100-unpublished

Micheletb, I undid your replacement of the {{PD-old-warning-text|100}} warning template with the {{PD-100-unpublished}} warning template. I saw two issues with your substitution. First, I think this kind of signifiant change should probably be discussed first. Second, currently the {{PD-100-unpublished}} warning suggests the use of the recently created {{Posthumous-PD}}, which I am not sure is ready for wide scale use. As I understand it, you want to emphasize that recently published works created by an author who has been dead for 100 years may nonetheless be protected in one or more countries due to a publication right. That seems like a reasonable goal, but I think it is actually quite rare for a publication right to be instrumental in determining the results of a DR on Commons, so I'm not sure it rises to the level of needing a special warning in every PD-old-100 tag. The existing warning is already kind of controversial (as you can see above), so adopting an even stronger warning may be a tough sell. —RP88 (talk) 07:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Shouldn't this template be accepted worldwide?

100 years after author's death seem to be the longest copyright protection throughout the world. Do we still need to point out the country where the author is from? Or maybe there are some ancient work that was published thousands of years ago, and it seems ridiculous to have a copyright. Do we still need to point out the country where the author is from? Who knows? Or maybe there should be a template called {{PD-ancient}}, for work published thousands of years ago, e.g. in ancient Greece? --Yejianfei (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

It's not; several countries have publication copyrights, where the first to publish gets a (usually 25-year?) copyright, and I think several countries still have eternal copyrights on unpublished works.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

And I forgot; a work published before 1978 will get 95 years from publication in the US, and works published before 2002 will get copyright at least until 2047.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)